User talk:Freegreaseeater

Bad news. Unfortunately it appears the HDD in my playstation is dying and now, for the second time in as many weeks my playstion has required a complete reinstallation.

This would be the 3rd time I will have to redownload and restart the game completely over and I'm sorry to say, I'm just not willing to at the moment. It's getting really repetitive and I've wasted enough hours already, trying to get back where I was originally was in game XD.

Unfortunately I also lost all the screenshots I had just worked a couple of hours finding - I was actually in the middle of screenshotting all the mushrooms when it decided to trip out. .. That was fun. So apologies, I don't have many more screenshots to give at the moment, they are lost in the void of my breaking PS.

I'm going to take some much needed time away from the game for now, wish I didn't have to, but it's just annoyed me way too much :( ...I may be back soon, I may not, but in any case I wish you both the best with the future of the wiki, it looks great!


 * Wow! That's awful. What HDD do you put in you PS4? :P Something is wrong here. I have a PS4 Pro and changed my HDD because it wasn't big enough, but I never had any trouble. Good luck! --BowiQC (talk)

Style and Formatting
This is a placeholder for the moment until I can write a longer section. There are a number of items I am fixing and putting back and I wanted to explain / talk with you about those items.

I'll walk you through those in detail so you understand what and why the formats are the way they are. Why certain things are not like other wikis you may have seen. :)

Thanks, GS877 (talk) 12:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh, sure thing. Sorry if I'm messing stuff up. :S
 * Please let me know asap so I can help out!! Freegreaseeater (talk) 13:04, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the wiki Freegreaseeater!


 * It's always good to have new editors. :)


 * Let me start by saying, I mean no ill will by making changes or edits to your edits. And I take no offense if you change my edits. I have been known to make mistakes and I'm glad when people catch them.


 * The main thing that I have been working on is standardizing the wiki page for items. They were incomplete, had different styles, didn’t match. I started working with the Admin (BowiQC) to get all of the images for the icons named correctly and placed into the correct spots. This required mining the game files to get all of the images, figuring out what they were, and then getting them uploaded. The developers didn’t make this easy as the names aren’t right on most of them. Plus there are 2-4 versions of a little white icon – some higher resolution, some on different backgrounds, some used in different places.


 * Once that was done, I then placed a tiny 28px icon next to each hyperlink on all of pages. This required me going through each page and finding all of the links and adding.


 * This has been many rounds of finding something and then having to go back and fix lots of pages.


 * On top of all of this, a number of the items in the game are very hard to find or I’ve never seen a video where someone finds them. Just trying to confirm the latin name and if it’s a Food, Tool, Gathering Spot, or Construction Item is very tough.


 * I’ve been standardizing item pages (or other pages) to a certain format. Mainly so that anyone who comes to the wiki gets the same information on each page.


 * Item pages use the same subheaders:
 * Description – A small blurb about the name, item type, maybe a tiny bit more about the item. I keep anything out of this section that can go into the sections below.
 * How to obtain – How you get the item. Grabbing, shaking, etc. Mainly to say what action you have to do to get the item. If the item is created – this section isn’t used.
 * How to create – this is for all of those items that you have to make. Like hitting to make a granite grinder. You can’t find a granite grinder – you have to make it.
 * How to use – This one is what you may use it for. Very specific uses of a tool and an explanation of how to use the item. If it isn’t obvious. Like you use a natal stem to dip for honey. You use Thornbushes to make a thornbush wall.
 * Locations – this one is sort of a half and half use. If an item is only in a certain place – like the Savanna – then I add it. If an item is everywhere – like dead branches – I leave this section out,
 * Uses – This section might replace “How to use” on certain pages. If there are lots of items that you can use this for – then this section appears. It can be a long list of things it makes – this tends to be a recipe list and different than the How to use explanation of an item.
 * Notes – This section lists any medicine uses and any other tips that don’t fall into one of the above items but specifically is about the game item. This doesn’t include things like trivia or external links.
 * Tips – This may show up for very spefici things talking about how to use something but it’s more if you want to or not. It’s not something you have to do.


 * I’m about half way down the items list right now for making them all the same. I’m adding in the “How to obtain” and other items into the infoboxes.


 * Each time I find something that I have to check or fix – I have to start back at the top. The top items on the item page have lots of things on them – think granite rock or obsidian scraper – so they are tougher to do. The food items are simpler. You can just eat them. Not a whole lot on those pages.


 * I’m trying to make sure that someone who comes to the page knows exactly – What is this item, how can I get it, where can I get it, what can I use it for, and does it have any benefits. That’s why each section exists.
 * Images
 * the infobox should have a nice picture of the icon, name, and the latin name – so you can see the symbol and the name. The top left – should have nice image of the item in the wild. So you know what you are looking for. Maybe it’s a coco tree showing some cocos or a yam plant. Something so that someone knows what they should be looking for. A lot of the time, Bowi created a merged picture with the name icon latin thing in the top left corner and the rest of the image shows what you are looking for. (Note from BowiQC (talk): No. It wasn't me. 😁)


 * Now these are just item pages. The animal pages or action pages or other pages all follow a similar style.


 * Each time I find something new or that connects to other stuff – I have to go out and fix all of that stuff. The carcass pages got me off on a tangent for a week as I created those. I don’t have any images for them but they are all the same.
 * So when you see a page – check some of the other pages “like” that page and they should all be the same for the subheaders and the information in them. Or as close as can be expected. Sometimes you have to make changes because they aren’t exactly the same.
 * In those cases – I specifically try to be as close to the pattern as possible.
 * Subheaders
 * Subheaders are very critical to not change. They can be changed but you have to understand some things about how they work when used for hyperlinks.
 * Health - is a direct link to that section of the article page. You are making a link with a subheader. But a subheader link is case sensitive and DOES NOT update if you change the original page.
 * So if you change the How To Play page subheader to “Health And Stuff” – The link no longer works – it brings you to the top of the page. So you have to go and change every place on the wiki from Health to Health . It matters if the “A” in And is capitalized. Symbols or punctuation also matter. It has to be exactly the same or it doesn’t work.
 * There is no redlink (or broken link) that appears if you break a subheader link. It just uses the article page and sends you to the top. It no longer links to the right section that you wanted it to. So if you want it to point to the Health section – you have to make sure you have it exactly. It’s best to make a link and then test it to make sure it points to the right spot.


 * You should always, always be very very careful about changing subheaders unless you know for sure it isn’t being used. There are special searches that can be performed to check the wiki but they take time to do. You have to investigate every place that they show up – make sure it’s not going to be a problem or make the changes – and then go to the next one. It’s something I learned the hard way on another wiki when I broke subheader links and had to go and fix 500 pages.
 * I’ve also on purpose made changes to subheaders and checked ahead of time to make changes. Sometimes it’s weeks of work to fix items but it really does look the best.
 * Links and Pipes
 * All of the 28px white icons and the hyperlink next to them are capitalized. When you “pipe” a link Health - it changes the text that is displayed.
 * However – on this wiki – there is no need to make items lower case. I’ve put everything to upper case so it matches the page name and the game name. They capitalize the letter of each word – so I matched that.
 * With that said, there are some other things about hyperlinks that they don’t tell you but are good practices. It’s always better to make a page name singular.
 * So Tool is always better to use as a page name than Tools
 * Unless your game specifically uses a plural form. (Which is really annoying)
 * Because if you want to use the word “tool” as a functioning link – you have to do this every time Tool . It’s a pain in the butt to do. Plus there is a neat little trick with links.
 * Anything that is stuck right on the end of a link – automatically is added to the hyperlink.
 * So Tools actually will show as Tools.
 * A better example is this Eatthisawesomefruit will show as a clickable link Eatthisawesomefruit.
 * This is good because you don’t have to remember to type out a “piped” link each time – you can just tack on the end of the word. Weapons Assault Rifless etc.
 * It’s much easier to remember to just tack an “S” on the end than to have to remember to type Assault Rifle every time you want a singular form of a word.
 * BUT – it doesn’t help you if the word you want is a different case or spelling. If your page name is Eating and you want to use “eaten” – you can’t tack “en” on the end. You have to use a pipe. Eaten.
 * Hyperlinks also will automatically change or recognize the first letter as capitalized or uncapitalized. So tools is the same as Tools . But it is only the first letter. It’s good when you want to have it be lowercase – and you don’t have to type out tools.
 * However, it’s always good practice to make sure to have the piped link match the page title. So planting will show as planting . Technically you can type planting the first letter as a lower case – but it’s not good to do for a piped link. The special searches I mentioned before – they are case sensitive. So if you search for Tools And Stuff – it won’t find tools And Stuff sometimes.
 * It’s just good practice to make sure that you do the same thing each time.
 * So that’s why I keep changing you links to eaten or switch back to capitals or undo subheader changes.
 * I’m still working down the items page so you’ll see me doing the fruits and that sort of stuff over the next few weeks.
 * What we really need are images for the infobox of each item – the icon, name, and latin name – and a good picture of the surroundings. Carcasses especially are missing. Locations - details on some of the odd mushrooms, fruits, and other things. Those pages look alomst empty but they do exist. They game developers have said the items are there. (African Entomopathogenic Fungus, Entomopathogenic Fungus Paste, Blue Roundhead Fungus Paste, Kelp Gull Egg or figs or ricin or marula or Pelican eggs - all have icons and names in the game files but I've never seen them in videos).
 * Plus, once the item pages are all standardized – we can then look at if there is maybe a better way to help someone coming to the wiki. I’m not inflexible – I’m just trying to make them all the same so if we do want a change – we know where to fix it all over. This stuff links all over and one small change can lead to hundreds of changes.
 * Hopefully this helps with some of the changes I have been making. The game developers didn’t make stuff easy with naming and weren’t the best with making stuff match. I’m just trying to make a nice framework so that others can fill it out well. GS877 (talk) 14:37, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


 * This is definitely a longread but this will help me understand a lot of things! 😅 --BowiQC (talk) 13:58, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, once again... I asked GS877 to post something about his editing philosophy/method on the Project:Community portal. He posted it here instead, but it's really intended to be useful for everyone.


 * I'll probably adapt his post for an article in the Project or Help Namespaces. --BowiQC (talk) 14:54, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Mango Pics
Freegreaseeater, Those are great pics for the African Casturi Mango page. Nice work! -01:26, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!
No worries, I don't take offence at any edits or reversal of edits either.... Nice work on the wiki, can see its really coming along.

I understand the format and will attempt to work as closely to the given as possible (also I'll circle back and fix some pages I edited that don't match the format). I'm not a huge wiki editor like you so I may run into some problems with the layout of pages and what you said about subheaders but I'll try my best to keep it in mind (I realise I have already slipped into that mistake!).

I do however have a small issue with a part of the formatting, sorry heh, it's only small - I think the subheaders "description" is unnecessary. Generally the beginning of wiki pages are already a overview on the thing anyway, a subheader for it is unneeded. In my opinion the "description" blurb would look much nicer right under Bowie's images, with no subheader. What do you think?

I'll revert all my edited pages back to original format, however I'll leave the mango page as is and you can see what you think. Ohhh and the reason I change letters to lower/upper case is I'm a stickler for grammatical correctness with this kind of stuff ofc, it does not look right when inappropriate words are capitalised in the middle of sentences, just looks neater when correct. I don't mind doing it but, does it cause problems with links (other than with subheaders)? Also on the mango page I changed the infobox image, I was thinking the File:African Mango.png with the Latin name on them by Bowie could sit on the top of the page in the paragraphs section, like they are and maybe the infobox image can be a clearer, prettier shot? Anyway, take a look at the mango page and let me know opinions. I'll help you work on pictures, by the time you have seen this I have likely uploaded some already under carcasses. Are they what you're looking for or...? I have already seen some of the items you are talking about, I'll get a pic and some not, but those wacky fungus' will soon be found! Thanks for the reply - Freegreaseeater (talk) 02:18, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

EDIT: "by the time you have seen this...." or not! lol


 * Freegreaseeater,


 * No need to make revisions or revert your prior work - I've been correcting them as you were making them. I ran through them today. So they are good. :)


 * I know you're trying hard to make it better and that's the wiki way. I'm glad we have people who want to work on wikis.


 * Feel free to update pages and I'll correct any items I see. I'm just really practiced at this on this wiki - so I know what I'm looking for. You'll get there pretty soon. Just takes practice.


 * Have to hit the bed but I'll respond more tomorrow on your questions above. -02:25, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

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 * The images I uploaded arent the best, a bit blurry and they arent rotated correctly, I see you have got the pics of the still animal models cut out, unfortunately I don't currently have my own computer to do that on so those kinds of pics are the best I can do right now. Feel free to edit, replace them or request the original image. Freegreaseeater (talk) 03:31, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Freegreaseeater,


 * I think the images of the body and the cut up carcass are great. So gruesome! It's exactly what you would see in the game. That's what people will be looking for. So it's a great visual aid. Keep doing that.


 * In my opinion the "description" blurb would look much nicer right under Bowie's images, with no subheader. What do you think? 


 * It's possible to do that - you just have to be careful that you leave an extra blank line in between the image and the "text". Otherwise it may wrap the text. Also, you would have to go back and remove ==Description== from all of the item pages so that they match. So it's a pretty big job but if you want to - I see no issue with that. It was a placeholder and I can see your point about it being a bit redundant.


 * Something I saw above - a little tip that took me a long time to learn. If you want to have a link to an image page - but not actually show the image on the page - put a : (colon) in the link. This says to make a link and not make the image appear. (I fixed your mango thing above.)


 * So if you want to show an image - you can type [[File:African Mango.png]] and the image will appear. (I made this one left and 100px so it isn't huge)


 * African Mango.png


 * If you only want a link to the page - let's say you have a bunch of things you want to show someone and you don't want a pic to appear for each one - then you can use this File:African Mango.png . See the extra colon in the coding? That trick also works for categories and other things.


 * Here is that link File:African Mango.png.


 * The subheader thing I mentioned above - I should have had a better example. One with actualk links so you could click on them and see the difference.


 * This is a subheader link that is correctly working. These are the buffs - a subheader link.


 * Here is that link These are the buffs - a subheader link.


 * This is a subheader link that is not correctly working. These are the buffs - a broken subheader link . I have left the "s" off of Buffs.


 * Here is that link These are the buffs - a broken subheader link.


 * The broken link looks right above - until you click on it and it goes to the top of the article instead of the "Buffs" subheader section where you wanted it to go.


 * The link is made up of the first part - which goes to the article page and a second part after the # (pound sign) which is the subheader. It has to be exactly what is on the article page or it can't find it. It just gives up and goes to the top of the page.


 * That's why it's so important that you are careful with renaming or changing subheaders. Any change to a subheader could break a link that you don't know about. You have to carefully search those items out to see if they will be impacted. Most times they won't be but some items - like the buffs and debuffs - are link in many places.


 * Hopefully that makes more sense. It was a lot of information above. Took me a long time to learn that stuff. Feel free to ask if you have questions on that kind of stuff. So that you don't have to learn the hard way like I did by trial and error. :) -GS877 (talk) 14:25, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Some pages already lack the "Description" heading... Just so everyone knows. Also, I can fixthat using AWB.


 * As for the "extra blank line" thing, I don't think there are a lot of articles with such picture. Once again, this is something we can fix while editing with AWB or individually whenever we find a "broken" page. (It won't be broken anyway...)


 * I think we can start ditching the "Description" header, and if there's really a demand for it, I can do a mass edit using AWB, but I don't think it's a priority. I prefer data and accuracy over standardization. -BowiQC (talk) 20:05, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree with the Description header being kinda superfluous, most of the time... That being said, I'm more than happy to see you here, Freegreaseeater. I also have troubles following standards and "best practices" when contributing to a wiki, which is why I asked GS877 to post something in the first place. Personally, I like to use AutoWikiBrowser (AWB) when needed to make mass editing, but I think GS877 prefers the hand-crafted approach. AutoWikiBrowser is indeed helpful for some annoying maintenance/housecleaning tasks that GS877 mentioned, but AutoWikiBrowser won't create a "Editing Policy" for me. 🤣 I hope I'll be able / find the motivation to use GS877's wisdom in conjunction with AWB.-BowiQC (talk) 16:25, 30 January 2020 (UTC)